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Re: [CQ-Contest] CX2DK DQ

To: Rudy Bakalov <r_bakalov@yahoo.com>, cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CX2DK DQ
From: Barry <w2up@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 08:36:49 -0700
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*XIII. DECLARATION:*

By submitting a CQ WW DX Contest log, and in consideration of the efforts of the CQ WW DX Contest Committee to review and evaluate that log, an entrant unconditionally and irrevocably agrees that he/she has: 1) read and understood the rules of the contest and agrees to be bound by them, 2) operated according to all rules and regulations that pertain to amateur radio for the station location, 3) agreed the log entry may be made open to the public, and *4) accepted that the issuing of disqualifications and other decisions of the Committee are official and final. If an entrant is unwilling or unable to agree to all of the foregoing, the entrant should not submit the entry or submit the entry as a Checklog only.
*

If you don't like the rules, don't play the game.  (Bold added.)

Barry W2UP


On 3/4/2017 08:27, Rudy Bakalov wrote:
There will be a lot less frustration vented out here if the process was 
principled and transparent; it is not. I am not referring to the mechanics of 
how cheating is detected.

There seem to be no principles around how to handle suspected behavior. Only a 
few weeks ago we learned about the extensive dialogue between the committee and 
3V8SS. Now, there is zero dialogue between the two sides, only a request for 
the recording. In other instances RBN data was being used as a reason to 
suspect abuse of power even though such procedures are not disclosed upfront in 
the published rules.

Why do we care about principles? Because the rules will never cover all 
situations and circumstances. Principles, just like the constitution, guide us 
how to make decisions when the rules are incomplete or do not exist.

I also believe that everybody deserves a fair trial, including by its peers.  
CX2DK, 3V8SS, LZ2RS, etc. have every right to bring up their complaints to the 
public and ask the judges to explain themselves. Democracy 101.

Rudy N2WQ

Sent using a tiny keyboard.  Please excuse brevity, typos, or inappropriate 
autocorrect.


On Mar 4, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Barry <w2up@comcast.net> wrote:

Fact not in evidence.

Again, they don't ask for audio unless they have suspicions about the log.  
Apparently same concern, last year, no response.  They let it go.  You know the 
old saying - Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

Barry W2UP

On 3/4/2017 06:04, Rudy Bakalov via CQ-Contest wrote:
So in both instances, the log checker didn't have issues with the log, but 
requested the recording anyway.  W4PA didn't mention any issues either and only 
reiterated that they asked for the recording and didn't get it.


Rudy N2WQ



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