You’re right, Ron, the rules are clear: ARRL has final say. ARRL has said it
really doesn’t matter. We can officially stop the hand-wringing!
73, kelly, ve4xt
> On Oct 20, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> The rules are vague on the SS check? Really?
>
>
> When operating as an individual, it should be the year YOU were first
> licensed. Even if you are "borrowing" someone's shack.
>
>
> If it is a multi-single effort, it should be the year that the HOST was first
> licensed. In the case of a club station, that would be the year that the
> CLUB was first licensed.
>
>
> Nothing vague about that.
>
>
> OK, so the rules may not have been written with iron-clad legal-type
> precision years ago. We could always hire attorneys to scrutinize the rules
> to make them so precise that their ought to be no ambiguity... of course
> there always will be, in the minds of some, but that's beside the point...
> but then, who would read 150 pages of rules in legalese? Plain English ought
> to be more than adequate.
>
>
> IMHO there is no ambiguity. The intent of the rules is clear.
>
>
> 73, ron W3WN
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kelly Taylor <ve4xt@mymts.net>
> To: Michael Clarson <wv2zow@gmail.com>
> Cc: James Cain <jamesdavidcain@gmail.com>; CQ contest reflector
> <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Sent: Fri, Oct 20, 2017 11:58 am
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] "It's just to save on typing"
>
> The difficulty with being obstinate about following rules to the letter is
> situations vary and rules are often vague. The check is certainly in that
> category.If you are a guest op, is it YOUR year of first licence or your
> host’s? If you’re using his callsign, using your check muddles matters. If
> it’s a multiop, whose check? If you were to follow the rules to the letter,
> you might have each op giving out his own check (it’s not exactly clear when
> all it says is “the year you were first licensed.”)Further: the rules also
> state quite clearly “the decisions of the ARRL are final.” The ARRL has
> decided it will not enforce checks (pretty hard to do, anyway). (Which is not
> the same as saying you get away with miscopying a check, merely the League
> will take no steps to determine if VE4XT really was first licensed in 1982.
> (I was.))So, if you’re obstinate about following rules and the rules say the
> ARRL decisions are final, then you must accept there is some deliberate
> vagueness to the rule and stop worrying about it.73, kelly, ve4xt > On Oct
> 20, 2017, at 9:05 AM, Michael Clarson <wv2zow@gmail.com> wrote:> > Have to
> agree with James. Rules pretty clear on what the exchange is.> Check is"year
> first licensed", not some two digit number I made up to> change things up.
> --Mike, WV2ZOW> > On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 8:23 AM,
> <jamesdavidcain@gmail.com> wrote:>> Lessee, now. This discussion began
> concerning the ARRL Sweepstakes>> contest(s).>> >> Seems to me that a
> legitimate entry must follow the rules for the exchange,>> and those rules
> are specific. I don't see where any of the exchange elements>> can be fudged,
> or "negotiated.">> >> If you don't plan to submit your SS log you can fudge
> anything you want -->> except your call sign. But that's not playing fair.>>
> >> K1TN>> >> >> 4.1. A consecutive serial number;>> >> 4.2. Precedence;>> >>
> 4.2.1. "Q" for Single Op QRP (5 Watts output or less);>> >> 4.2.2. "A" for
> Single Op Low Power (up to 150 W output);>> >> 4.2.3. "B" for Single Op High
> Power (greater than 150 W output);>> >> 4.2.4. "U" for Single Op Unlimited
> Single-Op Unlimited High Power and>> Single-Op Unlimited Low Power both send
> "U")>> >> 4.2.5. "M" for Multi-Op (Multiop High Power and Multiop Low Power
> both send>> "M")>> >> 4.2.6. "S" for School Club;>> >> 4.3. Your Callsign
> (remember that you must include your call sign during the>> exchange)>> >>
> 4.4. Check>> >> 4.4.1. The last 2 digits of the year of first license for
> either the>> operator or the station.>> >> 4.4.2. An entry must send the same
> Check throughout the entire contest.>> >> 4.5. ARRL/RAC Section (click here
> for the official list>> <http://www.arrl.org/contest-sections-list> )>> >> >>
> >> ----------->> >> I've been meaning to change things up anyway, just to
> keep them on their>> toes.>> >> 73>> Ria, N2RJ>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 4:31
> PM Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com> wrote:>> >>> When I saw the post about
> Call History Files for SS, and then saw the post>>> for the site where you
> can get them, I was tempted to put in some bogus>>> data -- change CK 60 to
> CK 69; change name Art to name Ari. But I'm not>>> quite that cranky.
> Yet.>>> >>> 73, Art K3KU>>> >>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 12:48 AM, Radio K0HB
> <kzerohb@gmail.com> wrote:>>> >>>> Where possible, I routinely "update" my
> exchange from the last contest,>>>> just to confound those who use
> "pre-loaded" data file crutches.>>>> >>>> 73, de Hans, K0HB>>>> >>>> >>>>
> -----Original Message----- From: Art Boyars>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 31,
> 2017 9:01 PM>>>> To: CQ-Contest Reflector>>>> Subject: [CQ-Contest] "It's
> just to save on typing">>>> >>>> E-mail chatting with N4ZR, who has relocated
> from WV to MD. Pete muses>>>> that a lot of people who rely on SCP or Call
> History (or whatever it is)>>>> "to save on typing" will bust the QSO by
> logging him as WV.>>>> >>>> I can see it now -- a cry for making the data
> files official; perhaps>>>> prohibiting people from relocating or using a
> different name.>>>> >>>> "All participants must register in the official Call
> History File. Your>>>> log must contain the data as reported in that File.
> Scoring will be in>>>> accordance with that File.">>>> >>>> Just think of all
> the typing we'll save!>>>> >>>> 73, Art K3KU>>>> who hopes you took this in
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