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Re: [CQ-Contest] WARC band contesting is a thing now !

To: jamesdavidcain@gmail.com, cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] WARC band contesting is a thing now !
From: Ron Notarius W3WN via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 17:48:34 +0000 (UTC)
List-post: <mailto:cq-contest@contesting.com>
All right, so maybe my choice of wording should have been better.

There have been concerns from the vast majority of active amateurs since the 
WARC-79 bands were announced, and since they started to be implemented starting 
in the early 1980's, about contesting activities (including "activity days" and 
things like that) overrunning the (relatively) small slivers of new spectrum.  
That, along with the expense for a good many of us to set up competitive 
stations on these bands, are amongst the major reasons why contesting is (at 
best) frowned upon on these bands.

And as was pointed out earlier in the discussion, this has reached the point 
where documentation discussing on air activity now includes strong statements 
discouraging contesting on these bands.  In essence, it is not considered Good 
Amateur Practice.

Sure.  A short contest, an activity day, yeah, it could be fun.  But it won't 
happen.  The moment someone announces to the general Amateur public such a 
scheduled activity, there will be a TON of denouncements and criticism -- much 
of it justified -- decrying said event.

The W1AW/100 event?  That brought a lot of activity to ALL the bands, but was 
HEAVILY criticized for bringing "contest style" operations to those bands.  And 
that was just one or two active states each week.  

A major DXpedition?  Same thing.  For every operator who wants to work an ATNO 
on the band, there are three upset that "contest style" (whether it really is 
or not) operating is disrupting the band.

I personally was HOUNDED and SMEARED a few years ago, when I was supposed to be 
one of the K2M operators during the 13 Colonies event.  I made the mistake of 
stating on one of the online forums that I would be operating CW on 30 meters, 
and possibly operating on 12 & 17 as well, propagation permitting.  Wow, did 
that simple statement backfire on me!  It got to the point where a few people 
emailed KU2US directly, denouncing me as a Lid and worse.  It got so bad that 
he started asking the host of that K2M station (W3WH) who I was and why was he 
permitting such a terrible operator to participate, as he'd had nothing but 
complaints.  Not only did I have to withdraw as an operator, but the resultant 
flack soured Bill on the event and resulted in one of the three K2M stations 
never going on the air.  KU2US still won't talk to me, even though it's now 
years later.  All over nothing I actually DID, just because of something I said 
I planned to do.  (And the irony is not lost on me that NOW the event permits 
and encourages operation on the WARC bands, but that's another story)

Regardless...

It has become accepted Amateur practice in the past 35+ years, right or wrong, 
whether one likes it or not, that organized contesting will not include the 
WARC bands. Most Amateurs (at least in North America) accept this practice, and 
have faith and trust that this "gentlemen's agreement" will remain in place.   
I see NO good reasons to deviate from this practice.  Yes, it might be fun.  
But that's not a good enough reason -- not even close.

Push this camel's nose out of the tent while you still can.  IMHO.

73, ron w3wn


-----Original Message-----
From: James Cain <jamesdavidcain@gmail.com>
To: CQ-Contest Reflector <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2020 11:34 am
Subject: [CQ-Contest] WARC band contesting is a thing now !

"Breach of faith and trust" in whom? The elected so-called
"representatives" we sent to the 1979 WARC where the new bands got laid
out? The red herring of "placating non-contesters" stank then and it stinks
now.

I agree with Doug Renwick and have thought for years that a single-band
contest on each of the new bands, once a year, would be a lot of fun and
might attract new people to use them. Hint: Don't call it a "contest." How
about Activity Day?

Cain, K1TN

No.  For the breach of faith and trust alone, this is a terrible idea.
IMHO.

73, ron w3wn


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Renwick <ve5ra@sasktel.net>
To: 'CQ-Contest Reflector' <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2020 8:26 am
Subject: [CQ-Contest] WARC band contesting is a thing now !

I think a single band WARC contest would be fun. Say have a 30m or 17m or
12m single band contest for a weekend; something like what is done with 10m
and 160m contests. Non contesters can use the non-WARC bands. Think about
it.

Doug
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