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To: "Mike" <k4gmh@arrl.net>
Subject: Re: [RTTY] (no subject)
From: "Jeff Blaine" <keepwalking188@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:41:59 -0600
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Mike,

I’m saying get rid of that last CR/LF.  A guy will be trying to get his mouse 
over your exchange and then that CR/LF will come along and bump everything up.  
Not a help.  N1MM has a feature to kill off some of these CR/LF but I don’t 
think it will filter that case.  

73/jeff/ac0c
www.ac0c.com 
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie



From: Mike 
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 5:27 PM
To: Jeff Blaine 
Cc: rtty@contesting.com ; k0rc@citlink.net 
Subject: Re: [RTTY] (no subject)

Your right Jeff.  There should be a space before the last "(CR/LF)".  Just got 
lost in the e-mail line wrap-around.


On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Jeff Blaine <keepwalking188@yahoo.com> wrote:

  Mike,

  You may also want to drop that last CR/LF in favor of a space.  Otherwise you 
make the guy on the other end chase you up the page unnecessarily.

  73/jeff/ac0c
  www.ac0c.com 
  alpha-charlie-zero-charlie



  From: Mike 
  Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:59 PM
  To: rtty@contesting.com 
  Cc: k0rc@citlink.net ; Jeff Blaine 
  Subject: Re: [RTTY] (no subject)


  Regarding the sending of the call at the end of the exchange:

    a.. If I am running I'll only send the call of the station I'm answering at 
the end of the exchange (the call is always sent at the beginning of the 
exchange) when: a. Several stations answered my CQ and are still calling when 
start sending my exchange, or; b. When I think I may have started sending the 
exchange when he may still be transmitting, or; c. At the end of the "K1XXX 
TU(CR/LF)Now K2XX 599 VA VA K2XX (CR/LF)" exchange.  

    b.. I don't send the other station's call, or my call, at the end of my S&P 
exchange.

  Regarding "a." above, I sometimes still don't send the call at the end of the 
exchange if I know my signal is strong into his location or the other stations 
stop sending their calls about the same time the station I am answering did, or 
the other stations calling were not as loud as the station I answer.  

  You have to get a feel for when to send the call at the end of the exchange.  
Suspect I send the other station's call at the end of the exchange about 50% of 
the time.  


  On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Blaine <keepwalking188@yahoo.com> wrote:

    Robert you are right.

    The place to get the run station's call is off his CQ.  Not off the
    exchange.

    73/jeff/ac0c
    www.ac0c.com
    alpha-charlie-zero-charlie


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Robert Chudek - K0RC
    Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 1:26 PM
    To: rtty@contesting.com
    Subject: Re: [RTTY] (no subject)

    "Think about it.
    I am doing S/P tuning across his frequency and I see:
    k1xx 599<exch>  <exch>  k1xx"

    When I am in S&P and I come across this exchange, all I know is the
    station transmitting is not K1XX. The exchange is configured for the
    benefit of two stations trying to make a QSO as efficiently as possible.
    It is not configured to give a S&P station some advantage.

    "Who is the calling station?"
    As a S&P station, you will just have to wait and see.

    "Who is the station running the frequency?
    As a S&P station, you will just have to wait and see.

    "So who should I call?"
    As a S&P station, you will just have to wait and see.

    "Are you saying I should just send out my call without knowing who I am
    trying to contact."
    Absolutely NOT! You should never call blind! As a S&P station, you will just
    have to wait and see.

    "How about this:
    k1xx 599<exch>  <exch>  k1xx de w6wrt"
    That's just a waste of the transmitting stations time (and the receiving
    station as well).

    73 de Bob - KØRC in MN


    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    On 1/16/2012 12:57 PM, Richard Cariello wrote:
    > Bob,
    > That's what makes this a horse race. As the person who is running the
    > frequency the more time he gets his call out the better will be his rate.
    >
    > Think about it.
    > I am doing S/P tuning across his frequency and I see:
    > k1xx 599<exch>  <exch>  k1xx
    >
    > Who is the calling station?
    > Who is the station running the frequency?
    > So who should I call?
    > Are you saying I should just send out my call without knowing who I am
    > trying to contact. I see this allot but that station never gets called
    > because he has already been worked, just adding QRM to the frequency.
    >
    > You come across this type of operation allot during SSB contests. The
    > station will run signing as "QRZ". After a while I simply call the station
    > as "QRZ" but at least the next time I tune across this station I can at
    > least ID his voice.
    >
    > How about this:
    > k1xx 599<exch>  <exch>  k1xx de w6wrt
    >
    > As the station doing S/P this would let me see who is running the
    > frequency and give the station he is working the second chance to know it
    > is his report. Now I will know as the S/P station if I need him or not.
    >
    > Rich AA2MF
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Robert Chudek - K0RC wrote:
    >
    >> He is not signing as the other station. The other station already knows
    >> he is working W6WRT. It's a waste of time sending W6WRT again.
    >>
    >> Bill also knows his call sign, so there's no benefit for him seeing it
    >> again either.
    >>
    >> There is a benefit. That is when the first K1XX gets covered up by "tail
    >> enders" and "long callers". Nobody knows who the report is being sent to
    >> (other than W6WRT). Having the call sign on the end ensures the intended
    >> station knows he is being worked.
    >>
    >> I lost count of the number of times I received "4:XC-ALU4C 599 CA CA BK"
    >> on my screen. Then I simply WAIT until the station resends his report
    >> and I can tell whether he is working me or someone else.
    >>
    >> 73 de Bob - KØRC in MN
    >>
    >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >>
    >>
    >> On 1/16/2012 8:13 AM, Richard Cariello wrote:
    >>> Bill W6WRT,
    >>> I am just getting back into RTTY myself and greatly enjoying the mode.
    >>>
    >>> I am wondering why you are signing as the other station:
    >>>
    >>> ME:    K1XX 599<EXCH>   <EXCH>   K1XX
    >>>
    >>> I would use:
    >>>
    >>> ME:    k1xx 599<exch>   <exch>   w6wrt (your callsign)
    >>>
    >>> If conditions are bad then double the callsigns as needed to make the
    >>> QSO.
    >>>
    >>> Rich AA2MF
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On Jan 16, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Duane Budd wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Bill said:
    >>>>
    >>>> "When I'm running, I want to verify two things from the calling
    >>>> station:
    >>>>
    >>>> 1. He's working me and not another station on the frequency that I
    >>>> can't
    >>>> hear.
    >>>>
    >>>> and
    >>>>
    >>>> 2. That he has my callsign correct.
    >>>>
    >>>> Unless the calling station sends my call at some point, how would I
    >>>> verify
    >>>> the above?
    >>>>
    >>>> Here's how I like it when I'm running:
    >>>>
    >>>> ME:    CQ TEST W6WRT W6WRT CQ
    >>>> HIM:    K1XX K1XX K1XX (or only twice if condx good, never just once)
    >>>> ME:    K1XX 599<EXCH>   <EXCH>   K1XX
    >>>> HIM:    W6WRT 599<EXCH>   <EXCH>   K1XX
    >>>> ME:    K1XX TU W6WRT CQ
    >>>>
    >>>> There is some redundancy in the above, but during a busy contest when
    >>>> often
    >>>> there are several stations on the same frequency, some redundancy is a
    >>>> necessity, IMO. Otherwise you are likely to log the wrong station.
    >>>>
    >>>> 73, Bill W6WRT"
    >>>>
    >>>> And that is exactly the way I do it and for the same reasons.
    >>>>
    >>>> While I am not a pro like AA5AU, I enjoy RTTY contesting and it has
    >>>> become
    >>>> my favorite operating joy...
    >>>>
    >>>> Budd, W5BEN
    >>>> dcbudd@embarqmail.com
    >>>> Johnson City, TN
    >>>>
    >>>>
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     Mike, K4GMH






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