WTF the multipliers are call areas. How the heck are you supposed to know
the multipliers if you don't send them. Maybe include it in your exchange
with every Q if you call doesn't match? And every CQ so that folks will
know that you aren't really a multiplier.
If it bothers a person that much they should go play somewhere else. I am
wearing out my delete key again.
Jim K0XU Sent from my Xoom tablet
On Jan 8, 2013 7:24 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com> wrote:
>
> You know that a G station DOES change calls within different areas
>> of the UK.
>>
>
> *Not* when moving within England - which is equivalent to moving
> within the continental 48 US states. Going among Scotland, Wales,
> Guernsey, Northern Ireland, etc. is equivalent to going amongst
> Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, Hawaii Alaska, Guam, etc.
>
> If you want to insist on the proper designator for territories vs.
> mainland, I'll grant you that although the FCC does not even require
> someone who has received a territorial call to surrender it on
> return to the mainland.
>
> G, F and DL are also just a little bit smaller than the United
>> States.
>>
>
> Yes - in the case of the UK with about 10% of the amateur population
> and a callsign pool (2,G,M, VP-VQ, VS, ZB-ZJ vs. AA-AL,K,N,W) just
> as large. "*YOU* can afford to allow unilateral changes in prefix
> when moving among territories and the mainland - the US can't afford
> to "waste" 90% of its callsign allocation.
>
> There are no penalties and nobody 'half a world away' trying to
>> change anything there. It's entirely your choice whether you enter a
>> contest and follow the rules.
>>
>
> Sure, you require someone to us a callsign other than the one assigned
> by the regulator or they can't play in your sandbox. I did so several
> years ago when I first moved from W8 to W4 and it's no fun increasing
> the length of the call by 50% just to satisfy an arbitrary rule that
> does not apply to *anyone* other than US stations.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 1/8/2013 7:34 PM, John GW4SKA wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> You wrote:
>>
>>> No it's not ... tell me where a G has to change callsigns when moving
>>> within England, or an F has to change callsigns when moving within
>>> France, or a DL has to change callsigns when moving within Germany.
>>>
>>
>> You know that a G station DOES change calls within different areas of
>> the UK.
>> G, F and DL are also just a little bit smaller than the United States.
>>
>> *Otherwise* keep your nose out of US
>>> regulatory matters and stop penalizing US stations.
>>> Time for BARTG to stop trying to dictate licensing policy to the US
>>>
>> - *period*.
>>
>> There are no penalties and nobody 'half a world away' trying to change
>> anything there. It's entirely your choice whether you enter a contest
>> and follow the rules.
>>
>> Jay WS7I is almost right when he says:
>>
>>> BARTG pre-dates nearly every other contest and has been running a long
>>> long time and they don't need to use another contest's rules nor to
>>> modify it for stations who don't wish to abide by their rules.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks Jay. Actually BARTG predates every other RTTY contest! Next
>> longest running is Volta which first ran 2 months after the first BARTG
>> HF.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>
>> To: <rtty@contesting.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 4:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [RTTY] BARTG Sprint 2013
>>
>>
>>
>>> Likewise, although the FCC is a federal authority, it makes sense
>>>> that when you move from one call district to another that you get a
>>>> call sign that corresponds to the call district you now reside in.
>>>>
>>>
>>> 10 call districts for the US is completely arbitrary ... initially
>>> there were only 9! Some countries don't even use all the digits
>>> in their callsigns.
>>>
>>> This is the way it works with call signs everywhere else and its the
>>>> way a lot of people would like to see it again according to the
>>>> reaction I got from my original post on the subject.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No it's not ... tell me where a G has to change callsigns when moving
>>> within England, or an F has to change callsigns when moving within
>>> France, or a DL has to change callsigns when moving within Germany.
>>>
>>> Likewise, although the FCC is a federal authority, it makes sense
>>>> that when you move from one call district to another that you get a
>>>> call sign that corresponds to the call district you now reside in.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's the United States' FCC that made the decision. If you want to
>>> go back to call districts meaning something - also go back to the
>>> days when we could have multiple callsigns so we can get appropriate
>>> calls for each call area. *Otherwise* keep your nose out of US
>>> regulatory matters and stop penalizing US stations.
>>>
>>> I played the game of using /4 when I first moved to Florida. I
>>> decided I was not likely to move back to "8 land" and got a call
>>> with the "proper" numeral but I would not do it again if I ever
>>> happen to leave 4-land.
>>>
>>> It is, after all, the decision of the US regulatory authority - not
>>> some amateurs half a world away.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/7/2013 11:14 PM, Ken Alexander wrote:
>>>
>>>> Geez Bill, where are you getting this from? I was pretty careful to
>>>> keep my discussion about moving from one call district to another.
>>>> Nobody suggested 50 call districts or thousands based on counties, and
>>>> any discussion of speed limits is irrelevant here. You've taken this to
>>>> a ridiculous conclusion that only damages your credibility.
>>>>
>>>> My comparison to drivers licenses when moving from state to state was
>>>> merely to point out that you had to get a new state-issued drivers
>>>> license if you took up residency in a new state. Likewise, although the
>>>> FCC is a federal authority, it makes sense that when you move from one
>>>> call district to another that you get a call sign that corresponds to
>>>> the call district you now reside in. This is the way it works with call
>>>> signs everywhere else and its the way a lot of people would like to see
>>>> it again according to the reaction I got from my original post on the
>>>> subject.
>>>>
>>>> Ultimately, nothing is likely to change. As you say, one call will be
>>>> issued that's good for anywhere in the U.S.. It's just a shame to see
>>>> an orderly system (one that works so well everywhere else in the world)
>>>> trashed in the name of bureaucratic laziness and personal vanity.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>> Ken Alexander
>>>> VE3HLS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-01-07 9:31 PM, Bill Turner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
>>>>> On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:46:57 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You report any moves to another call district, just like you do with
>>>>>> your drivers license when you move to a new state, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>> REPLY:
>>>>> Apples and oranges.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the USA, different states have different rules of the road. In wide
>>>>> open
>>>>> Montana speed limits may be quite different from a more congested
>>>>> eastern state.
>>>>> Having a driver's license and different rules for each state makes
>>>>> sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not so for the FCC. The rules are nationwide and do not vary from one
>>>>> part of
>>>>> the country to another.
>>>>>
>>>>> So let's take you point. I live in California and have a W6 call
>>>>> (W6WRT, my
>>>>> initials). Suppose I move to the 5th call area and I become W5WRT. Now
>>>>> what
>>>>> state am I in? Would you like the FCC to issue calls based on the
>>>>> state? There
>>>>> could be W01AAA through W50ZZZ I suppose. California was the 31st
>>>>> state so I
>>>>> could be W31WRT. Would that be better? There are some 3000+ counties
>>>>> in the
>>>>> USA. Why not have W2754XXX? Is that better? How about cities? Towns?
>>>>> Villages?
>>>>> Wide spots in the road?
>>>>>
>>>>> As it is now, the FCC issues one call that is valid anywhere in it's
>>>>> jurisdiction. Good enough I say.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill, W6WRT
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