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Re: [RTTY] ARRL attack on current RTTY users

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Subject: Re: [RTTY] ARRL attack on current RTTY users
From: Kok Chen <chen@mac.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:04:16 -0800
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On Nov 21, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Jeff Blaine wrote:

> There is a lot of "modernization" and "flexibility" listed - but who, beyond 
> the PACTOR guys, would actually benefit from this change.  Figure that out 
> and we can likely connect the dots from that group to this decision.

Unless the words "modernization" and "flexibility" are synonymous with the 
phrase "more data bandwidth," the ARRL proposal simply don't make any technical 
sense.

As I mentioned in an earlier private email to another reflector participant, 
take a look at all the advancements towards getting the most miles with the 
lowest power.  You need not look further than Joe Taylor's modes.

http://www.physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/index.html

If you include the also widely used PSK31 (very good for folks with small 
antennas and low power when propagation is good) the focus on narrower 
bandwidths goes back for at least two and a half decades.

These folks had the freedom to use higher symbol rates and wider bandwidth, but 
choose not to.

Technically, you can use wider bandwidths to counter selective fades due to 
multipath in Rayleigh channels (best model for HF that has been used for 
decades now).  That is addressed in modern modes with good forward error 
correction (FEC) and longer data frames.  And even when you use simple two tone 
FSK, it has been known by amateurs since the 1960s that 170 Hz is already wide 
enough to derive information to apply a good automatic threshold correction to 
FSK.  As I mentioned in my "RTTY Demodulators" article,

"In a February 1964 article in the RTTY bulletin, Frank Gaudé reported that 
there is actually no significant difference anyway between the amount of 
selective fading between a wide shift and a narrow shift signal down to the 170 
Hz region."

So, the need for wider bandwidths has nothing to do with finding better modes 
for HF communications.  It does allow you to push more bits per second through 
the channel.

BTW, you can include references in your comments to the RM, and the references 
can include Web links, references to RTTY Bulletins from the 1950s, or email to 
your kids, if those are pertinent.  Please feel free to do all the web research 
that you need and include references that you decide are pertinent to include 
in your own comments.

73
Chen, W7AY

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