| Semantics.......be it a UNbalanced to UNbalanced Balun, RF Common Mode 
Choke, 1:1 balun, RF Choke or whatever, yes the objective is to provide a 
high Z for circulating current on the outside of a coaxial feed.  Most SWR 
devices can not deal with outside circulating currents.  The basic 
description of the problem does indicate a coaxial line is being used since 
there is reference to SWR values as measured with internal means. 
I've had very good success with the #8232 wired model and the #8332 kit 
model from The Wireman.  These are the better choices if any anticipation of 
160M operation is expected. 
As to the discussions between W2DU and W1ICP, I'll add in those further 
discussions by W2FMI. 
73
Bob, K4TAX
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kim Elmore" <cw_de_n5op@sbcglobal.net> 
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TenTec] Built in SWR meter bannans
 Maybe "unun" and "balun" don't really apply here. Walt Maxwell, W2DU, and 
Lew McCoy, W1ICP, were famously at odds about whether the W2DU "balun" was 
really a balun or something else. Walt said yes, Lew said no. What you 
want to do, Jim, regardless of what we call it, is to alleviate the 
current on the outside of the coaxial transmission line. The Wireman's 
product 8232 will do just that.
If it's common-mode current on ladder line that you have to wrestle, the 
problem harder is harder in a practical sense even though the same 
techniques still apply. 
73,
Kim N5OP
On 4/21/2013 5:57 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
 Sounds like RF current on the shield when on the antenna and not on the 
dummy load.  I suggest a 1:1 UNUN balun between the amp and the antenna. 
I've had good success with a product from The Wireman being model #8232. 
Certainly worth a try.
73
Bob, K4TAX
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim GM" <jim.gmforum@gmail.com>
To: "Discussion of Ten-Tec Equipment" <tentec@contesting.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 11:13 AM
Subject: [TenTec] Built in SWR meter bannans
 I have a Tec Tec Auto Coupler that is turned off and a Ten Tec Hercules 
II
at full power. The SWR bridges in side the equipment reads well over SWR
over 3:1 on certain bands while my BIRD Watt meter read 2:1.
ALL SWR meters is at 1:1 into a dummy load so that rules out the BIRD is
whacked.
This problem seams to mainly happen on 160M however I have seen it do 
this 
on different bands with other antennas in the past.
Are the diodes going into saturation?  I am going BANNAS with this 
issue. 
--
Jim K9TF
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