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Re: [VHFcontesting] "Handing Out" radio rules/ethics

To: Les Rayburn <les@highnoonfilm.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] "Handing Out" radio rules/ethics
From: John Kemker <john@kemker.org>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:55:48 -0400
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Just thinking out loud:  What if you didn't count their QSOs in your 
submitted logs?  In other words, hand them the HT, let them work you for 
the contest, but don't submit those QSOs as valid.  That way, you've 
given them a taste of contesting, but are self-disqualifying those 
contacts in order to keep within both the spirit and the letter of the 
rules.

Just random musings.

Les Rayburn wrote:
> JK & The Group,
>
> I hope that my question wasn't offensive. I wasn't trying to avoid reading 
> the rules...I had read them but wasn't sure of how to interpret them. I did 
> as you suggested and reviewed them again. I'm not the judge and jury on this, 
> but here's my two cents worth. 
>
> 1.. 3.3.1. A rover vehicle may transport only one station using a single 
> call sign. An exception is provided for in "General Rules for All ARRL 
> Contests" number 3.5 (Family Rule).
>
> My take on this is even if you're just carrying an extra HT, you're 
> technically transporting another "station". Though to be honest, it's a 
> pencil thin line in my book. So it's ok, if I build and equipment a ham with 
> a complete "microwave in a box" station but if I hand someone an HT, I'm in 
> trouble? I'm not sure that passes the common sense test. 
>
> It does seem clear that you could not retrieve the HT and use it again and 
> again with each ham you meet along the way. 
>
> 2.. 3.3.2. A rover may not operate with more than one call sign.
>
> No problem here, except that you're "transporting the station". 
>
>   3.. 3.3.3. Rover vehicles must transport all the equipment, power 
> supplies, and antennas used at each operating site.
>
> Well, you are doing that for sure. The problem is that you may be viewed as 
> transporting more than one station. 
>
>
> Now, if I have my wife follow in our other car, and it's filled to the lid 
> with HT's...then I'm all good right? (Ha, Ha) I still like the idea of 
> carrying some extra gear and allowing ham visitors to work me. Even if the 
> points don't count, they may get excited about VHF and/or contesting. I know 
> it was a huge thrill for me to make my first QSO on 10ghz...many hams never 
> get on bands that high in their entire amateur careers. My guess is that for 
> most, it would be their first and only contact on 900mhz, or 1.2ghz...so it's 
> good PR if nothing else. 
>
> At the risk of sounding like Major Garret at a White House Press 
> Conference...can I ask a "follow up" question? Assuming that the rover is 
> within his 150 Km radius of his home station, wouldn't these roadside 
> contacts count as new grids for VUCC assuming they are at 1.2ghz or lower? In 
> other words, if I'd have been smart enough to hand one of those hams my 
> TH-F6A and make a 222 contact while in EM73, I'd have a new grid for that 
> band right? (Darn it, I really need EM73 for 222!) Same for 902, or even 
> 1.2ghz. I think I'm gonna run out and buy a couple of more HT's! 
>
> Thanks for the entertaining discussion, if nothing else guys. 
>
> 73,
>
> Les Rayburn, N1LF
> EM63nf
> 121 Mayfair Park
> Maylene, AL 35114
>   
-- 
--JohnK
73 de W5NNH
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