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Re: [TowerTalk] Mast slippage

Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Mast slippage
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:41:57 -0700
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Ron,

I shouldn't generalize, as it is possible to mag drill on a tower as you are doing. But rigging my 60# mag drill on a tower with a custom fixture and using Rota-Broach drills is not in most ham skills and toolboxes. Maybe the fact my mags get heavier every year is another factor ;) .

Grant KZ1W

On 7/28/2020 21:57, Ron WV4P wrote:
I hate to disagree with Grant but I'm making a plate out of 1/4" steel to clamp to mast with 2 u bolts, pop mag drill on with a HSS Annular cutter and smoking a cig as I send it through making a perfect hole. I have worked way to hard in the past to drill oval holes.

Ron, WV4P




On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 11:42 PM Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net <mailto:grants2@pacbell.net>> wrote:

    I looked at the 71D picture at Array Solutions.?? Not impressed with the
    bent up clamps.?? Grade 8 bolts can apply 2x the force of the stock
    SS if
    torqued to spec, the easiest thing to try.?? Torque the bolts with a
    torque wrench, wait a day and re-torque.?? I've had SS bolts take an
    initial stretch, a known property. One project I worked on required
    torquing the grade 9 bolts 3 times and temperature cycling the joint in
    between.?? Quite amazing the change each cycle.

    Or the 71D ears may bend around more.?? Measure the separation top and
    bottom to check for that with what you have done so far.

    A way to improve the existing bracket is bracing welded at least across
    the top, say 5/16 thick x 3" with a V cutout.?? Even better if a second
    one was cut to fit mid height and welded in.?? Or buy better one if it
    exists.

    The problem with pins is it is very difficult to get a round straight
    thru hole of correct diameter in both parts by hand, especially on
    alloy
    steel tube.?? ??So the mast will still work back and forth, elongating
    the
    hole and wearing the bolt.?? The back and forth is hard on the rotator.
    Your mast will still be "slipping slightly".

    If the pin is your choice, I'd try a pilot point drill (Dewalt) of the
    diameter that just fits the bracket hole.?? It has a center drill built
    in and they are excellent quality steel. You might go thru with a
    couple
    of these. If they don't hack it a Co/M42 drill will have a good start
    hole. You will need lots of thrust force and endurance and coolant.
    Water in a spray bottle is better than oil, WD40 is easy and good
    too, a
    helper is necessary to have continuous application.?? The mast material
    cert can tell you what you have and the possible hardness range is
    greater than 2:1 Hrc. (there are 6 spec 4140 standards).?? Hand drilling
    at the hardest level is doubtful.

    A punch might provide a drill start on round alloy steel tube for maybe
    a 1/16" drill but how would you get it centered??? It is possible to
    step
    up in a few steps to reduce the thrust needed but by hand it's unlikely
    to preserve the position.

    Drill from both sides, don't attempt to drill thru from one side.

    There is no way you want to mess with a MagDrill (I own 2) on a tower
    and there is nothing for the magnet to clamp to.

    Good luck, be safe,

    Grant KZ1W


    On 7/28/2020 16:00, Les Brown wrote:
     > I have 2 large Yagis attached to a 3 inch OD ?? inch wall
    thickness Chromoly
     > mast running down the tower to a ProSisTel PST-71D. On a windy
    day, I hear
     > creaking sounds from the tower. The mast is slipping slightly in
    the rotator
     > mast bracket. I???ve already tried to tighten the 6 bolts, but it
    still slips.
     > I don???t want to tighten them to the point where they might
    snap. I???m
     > thinking that what I need to do is to go up the tower, drill a
    hole through
     > the mast (the rotator mast bracket already has holes), and pin
    the mast and
     > bracket. I understand that it???s not easy drilling through
    Chromoly pipe, so
     > before I try this, I thought I would ask if any of you have any other
     > suggestions.
     >
     > 73, Les VE3NNT
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