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Re: [CQ-Contest] Ohio is now West Coast - rebuttal

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Ohio is now West Coast - rebuttal
From: Tim Shoppa <tshoppa@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:21:52 -0500
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I grew up in Iowa and always was taught that was the true midwest. When I
asked about Ohio, I was told it was the Mid-East!

K9YC asks:
> Single exceptions fail to disprove the facts! How about simple
> statistics -- in virtually any ARRL or CQ DX contest, compare averages
> of top scores from W6 with W1.

CQ WW 1972 Phone, top 4 W6 scores:
W6RR 2.3M
K6AHF 1.8M
W6MAR: 1.3M
W6DGH: 1.1M

Top 4 W1 scores:
K1CPF 0.8M
K1CSJ 0.7M
K1JHX 0.5M
WA1PID 0.4M

Tim N3QE


Single exceptions fail to disprove the facts! How about simple
> statistics -- in virtually any ARRL or CQ DX contest, compare averages
> of top scores from W6 with W1.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 15:47:15 +0100
> From: "DL5AXX, WRTC2018" <dl5axx@wrtc2018.de>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com, rrdxa@mailman.qth.net,
>         bcc@bavarian-contest-club.de, wrtc2018@lists.wrtc2018.de
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] new scores in standings
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> Hi folks,
>
> added IARU-HF 2015 final scores.
>
> Sorry, posted an old link :-)
>
> Current standings at
> http://wrtc2018.de/index.php/en/qualification/standings-2
>
> 73 Ulf, DL5AXX
> WRTC2018 qualifications
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 19:10:52 +0000
> From: Martin Durham <W1md@W1md.net>
> To: Scott Ellington <k9ma@sdellington.us>
> Cc: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your Call?
> Message-ID: <1D34BAD1-1955-4D1F-9BD0-A1EE93ED1EE0@W1md.net>
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> Dah-dit    Da-da-dah   Comes to mind ;)
>
> Marty
> W1MD
>
> > On Feb 28, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Scott Ellington <k9ma@sdellington.us>
> wrote:
> >
> > So what is the proper way to politely decline to QSY?  Something which
> means, "Sorry, I do not wish to QSY now, and please let's not argue about
> it."  I often send "SRI", but I'm not sure it get's the message across.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Scott  K9MA
> >
> >> On 2/26/2016 14:20, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote:
> >>  Steve,
> >>
> >>
> >> I can't speak for any other little pistol or squirt gun out there, but
> over the years I've learned a bit of a distaste when someone asks me to QSY
> to another band.
> >>
> >>
> >> I've had the request made on one of those rare times I have a run
> frequency going.  If I've got people calling me, I'm not leaving.  Worse,
> I've had people ask this, I would go and work the other band (and I don't
> always have propagation at the time), and on my return find that the
> station that asked me "as a courtesy" was now working my run frequency as
> his.
> >>  When I'm doing S&P, again, I may not have propagation to that part of
> the world on the other band at that time.  And I may have other reasons for
> not wanting to QSY at that time.
> >>
> >>
> >> But the biggest reason I've come to dislike the requests... when (and
> this happens primarily on voice modes) I'm asked and I decline, the other
> guy starts giving me an argument.  I'm in the middle of a run, I have a
> half-dozen people calling, and someone wants me to stop cold and discuss
> why I want to stay put, or don't want to go to another band right then and
> there?
> >>
> >>
> >> Now, I don't mind if, while doing S&P, the op of a M/2 or M/M tells me
> that their other station is on, well, whatever frequency.  Especially
> during the Sunday "doldrums".  As long as they simply mention it.  Again,
> though, when the other op demands to know why not... I mean, really.  It's
> not like a W3 from PA is exactly rare, and I get that they'd like to
> maximize the number of Q's on each band.
> >>
> >>
> >> So please don't take it personally if I don't QSY to another band.
> >>
> >>
> >> 73, ron w3wn
> >>
> >> On 02/26/16, sbloom@acsalaska.net wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not sure changing the exchange is realistic (though man that *IS* a
> >> great idea) ...but I will comment that I find it increasingly difficult
> >> to communicate *anything* other than the contest exchange with most
> >> folks. I always try to get guys late in the contest ..if/when things
> >> are slow ..to QSY to other bands ..and I'm probably down to 1 or 2 in
> >> 10 ...giving me any answer at all ..yes or no ...no matter how much I
> >> QRS. Probably not much that can be done ..as code readers become more
> >> popular ..but it does suck.
> >>  73
> >> Steve KL7SB
> >>
> >> On Thu, 25 Feb 2016 16:09:21 -0500, Jeff Clarke wrote:
> >>
> >>  A simple solution. Make the callsign part of the exchange like
> >> SS. For example if I work P40W he would send KU8E P40W 5NN 5.
> >>
> >> There were several stations this past weekend in ARRL DX that wouldn't
> >> even send their call until they weren't being called by anyone anymore.
> >> Some others would work between 5-10 stations before they sent their
> >> call.
> >>
> >> I blame alot of this problem on the dumbing down of DX contesting (and
> >> DXing in general) caused by packet spotting. Most casual DX contesters
> >> like SOA and just click on packet spots and work people. No skill
> >> needed anymore to copy a call or have any knowledge about propagation
> >> to know which band to be on to maximize your score. To me it's similar
> >> to catching fish in a barrel. Those on the other end of the pileup know
> >> this and this is why they don't ID frequently. It's very frustrating
> >> for those who still like to be unassisted.
> >>
> >> It's obvious to me that many of these people also can't copy CW other
> >> then their own call. I had a situation on 15 CW Sunday morning in ARRL
> >> CW that I had a bunch of dupes that started calling me. Someone had
> >> probably spotted my call wrong. It was amazing to me that many of those
> >> that called were well known contest calls. They still called even
> >> though I was sending my call every QSO. I checked the spots of my
> >> callsign after the contest and that's exactly what happened. It wasn't
> >> until someone spotted me with the comment "call correction" that the
> >> dupes stopped.
> >>
> >> BTW, I'm not against SOA. I guess I'm just old fashioned because it's
> >> just not challenging to me. I like to find stations and band openings
> >> on my own. That's more thrilling to me. To each his own. If you get a
> >> thrill from clicking on spots all weekend long, more power to you.
> >>
> >> Kudos to guys like K3WW and AA3B who have good stations, are great run
> >> operators and they know how to interleave spots between their runs to
> >> maximize their score.
> >>
> >> Jeff KU8E
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> >
> > --
> > Scott Ellington  K9MA
> > Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> >
> > k9ma@sdellington.us
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 22:51:25 -0600
> From: Scott Ellington <k9ma@sdellington.us>
> To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your Call?
> Message-ID: <56D3CE4D.7050806@sdellington.us>
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> On 2/27/2016 07:33, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
> > I think the solution is quite simple - it should only be acceptable to
> > ask someone else to QSY when they have answered your CQ.  In fact, it
> > is bad manners, IMO, to ask anysingle op who is running to QSY.
> What about late in the contest, when the running stations is getting few
> replies, and you need the multiplier?
>
> 73,
>
> Scott  K9MA
>
> --
> Scott Ellington  K9MA
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
>
> k9ma@sdellington.us
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 06:45:17 -0500
> From: Tony Brock-Fisher <barockteer@aol.com>
> To: reflector cq-contest <CQ-Contest@Contesting.COM>,   "YCCC@YCCC.ORG"
>         <YCCC@YCCC.ORG>
> Subject: [CQ-Contest] YCCC/WRTC2018 Matching Gift Program MAXED OUT!!
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>
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>
> -Tony, K1KP
>    President, YCCC
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 07:36:52 -0600
> From: "ve4xt@mymts.net" <ve4xt@mymts.net>
> To: Drew Vonada-Smith <drew@whisperingwoods.org>
> Cc: "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>
> Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Your Call?
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> Drew wrote:
>
> > The other fellow (sorry, forgot the call) about just having fun and not
> being vindictive.  You are right and it is a good message to throw in the
> mix.  This isn't an attack.  That being said, we can still strive for best
> practices, and this can include up to DQ for the really bad actors.
>
> >
>
> The best answer here -- work him, ask for his call, NIL if refused --
> isn't about being vindictive, it's simply about giving him the chance to do
> the right thing. The NIL at the end is required by the rules: if you don't
> know who you worked, how can you call it a Q?
>
> Plus, no rule or even common courtesy would demand you continue listening
> until he finally does ID. Especially since if you let these guys affect
> your S&P performance, you have only yourself to blame. Lots of fish in the
> sea...
>
> Vindictive would be to work him, not ask for his call and then NIL him
> without having given him the opportunity to earn your Q.
>
> Then again, if we all simply ignored these arses, they'd have no pileups.
> It's not unreasonable to ask: If you don't know who it is, why are you even
> calling?
>
> Somehow, I don't think our pack mentality would allow it.
>
> On phone, when the guy says you're a dupe, at least you can answer "But
> you never ID, so how would I have known?"
>
> 73, kelly, ve4xt
>
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