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Re: [Amps] Shipping Damage

To: <Amps@contesting.com>, "W0UN -- John Brosnahan" <shr@swtexas.net>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Shipping Damage
From: "Gary Smith" <wa6fgi@sbcglobal.net>
Reply-to: Gary Smith <wa6fgi@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:22:10 -0800
List-post: <mailto:amps@contesting.com>
Want to recall that rf parts (for example) ships their tubes in a single 
purpose designed semi-soft foam packing that holds the tube in the tube's box 
so that any shock to the box and its contents are fully dampened.  And then 
they put it in another box.
Moral of the story here seems to be, double box and use double wall boxes.  
Another observation: when there is damage the shipper doesn't seem to mind 
putting out $300.00 three times, but they grit their teeth at writing a check 
for $900.00 once.
73,
Gary... wa6fgi 
---- Original Message ----- 
  From: W0UN -- John Brosnahan 
  To: Amps@contesting.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [Amps] Shipping Damage


  Just a few observations on this issue based on three years at Alpha/Power.
  These are personal experiences -- YMMV.

  1)  The transformer is shipped separately mostly because the sheet metal
  is not strong enough to stay intact if the amp is dropped during shipping --
  not just to keep the weight per package down, though that is A factor.

  2)  Proper packaging is the key and the 3CX800A7s are shipped in their
  sockets with the Alpha amps.  But that is because the way the amp is
  designed -- so that they are held in their sockets.  A typical 3-500Z amp
  will have the tubes fall out of their sockets if shipped with the tubes 
  installed.
  And a loose glass tube is usually toast by the time it arrives.

  3)  There are two issues in packaging that are key.  The first is the ability
  of the box to withstand being impacted in a small area -- the burst strength
  of the corrugated box.  Double corrugated boxes are usually adequate for
  items of 70 pounds or less.  Triple corrugated boxes for heavier things.
  The second issue is how much the packing material can reduce the G-forces
  when the box is dropped.  In the case of the Alpha amps this shock absorbing
  material is a combination of the right density of foam with the correct 
  amount of
  foam.   Both the thickness of the foam as well as the square inches of area 
  that
  the foam covers.  What you want is to reduce the shock on the contents by
  letting the contents decelerate over some distance.  ie, The foam will 
  compress
  just the right amount to reduce the G-forces.  This is actually a fairly 
  scientific
  procedure and packaging companies will do the design work with a computer
  program based on a number of factors, especially the weight of the item, but
  also the volume of the item being shipped.

  4)  UPS specifically is worse in some regions that others and they recognize
  that fact by requiring different packaging for some regions.  Alpha had their
  box approved for shipping by UPS from Colorado and we could ship an 87A
  to Florida with no problems. But that same box would not meet the return
  shipment specs from Florida because there had been a long history of increased
  damage in the Florida region.  So, in order to return an Alpha from 
  Florida, it
  was necessary to place the original Alpha box in a second box.  The Alpha box
  was probably more than adequate -- but insurance claims from FL caused UPS
  to require a higher level of packaging.

  5)  The biggest problems we ever had were with Alpha 77s.  A combination
  of mediocre packing when they were shipped to the factory for repair and
  the overall weight AND volume of the package was just too great to be handled
  by one person.  We found that the only reliable way to ship an Alpha 77
  was to put it on a pallet in order to make sure that is handled with a
  fork lift, rather than picked up by one person.  Of course it was also very
  well packaged with a lot of the proper foam.

  6)  Although we rarely had problems with trucking amps like the 77s,
  we found that the truck commodity rating is complete chaos and
  it is often more expensive to ship by truck under a commodity code
  for electronics that it is to ship by air freight.  So I would always
  recommend air freight if you really valued your amp.  You wdn't have
  to use the expensive Fedex route if you are willing to drive to one of
  the more generic air freight companies that containerize shipments.
  It might take two or three or four days to arrive, but it would always
  arrive in good shape.  Especially if it was on a pallet.  Or you could
  use Fedex, just make sure you use one of the slower air freight
  options to keep the costs as low as possible.

  7)  If you are NOT willing to drop your package from table height then
  don't ship it.  Because there is a chance that it will fall that far onto
  a concrete floor along the way.  Especially with UPS, but also with
  other parcel companies.  Often it is not deliberate, just that the
  package is heavier and bulkier than expected and the driver may not
  be able to gracefully get his (or her) arms around the package.  And
  sometimes things just fall off the conveyor belts.  I believe that there
  may be some deliberate abuse of large packages, especially right after
  UPS raised the weight limit from 70 pounds to 140 pounds.  Some of
  the drivers and handlers protested the changes by abusing some
  of the heavier packages.   But the majority of the problems are just
  accidents, sometimes caused by something just being too big
  to handle.  The step size from an Alpha 87A package to the 77SX
  package is just enough to make the 77SX MUCH more vulnerable
  to being dropped.

  8)  USPS Priority Mail is an excellent way to get good service at a
  darn good price for small packages.  But I have little experience with
  it for amp-sized packages.

  In the "old days" (early 1960s) I worked for the USPS handling
  parcel post shipments.  Standard procedure was a semi-circle
  of about 50 or 60 mailbags suspended from water pipe frames.
  The sorter was required to throw the mail to keep the speed up.
  Average distance was probably about 8 ft but could be as much
  as 12 or 15 ft.  There were three things that could happen.  1) the
  package could fly through and drop down in the bag with no
  problems unless this was a heavy box landing on a fragile box, or
  2) the package could fly through the air about 10 ft and miss the
  bag but hit the pipe frame, or 3) the package could miss everything
  and just hit the floor.  If you were good (I was) the package almost
  always went into the right mail bag.  Of course amp-sized packages
  were not handled this way -- they were too big to fit in a mail bag.
  I don't know how the USPS handles things now, but in those "old days"
  I would never ship Parcel Post unless the item was indestructible.
  I think it is better now, in large part caused by competition from
  UPS.

  9)  Another option is surface Fedex (Green).  I guess this is the
  reincarnation of Railway Express.  I have heard good things about
  it from some people.  But it appears that results can vary.  Apparently
  because some areas are served by contract operations rather than
  by Fedex employees.  Of the seven items that have been shipped
  to us by Fedex Green we have had problems with all of them.  Usually
  the item just disappears in the computer system once it arrives at
  DFW and never shows up again, although the package usually
  arrives a week or TWO later.  But we have had two packages that
  NEVER showed up.  The problem is so bad with this area's Fedex
  Green operation that the regular Fedex drivers have commented
  about what they have heard.  Our area is "served" by a contract
  operator.  If we order from some company that has a contract with
  Fedex to use them exclusively and the item is most suited to
  ground shipment then we will buy from someone else rather than
  have an item shipped Green.  But others have been pleased with
  Green in their area.

  10)  One last thing.  I am not exactly sure what NAFTA was supposed
  to do, but we have found that the hardest/most expensive place in
  the world to ship to is CANADA.  It is on the Canadian end and
  there seems to be an extra layer of paperwork that causes a lot
  of extra delay as well as costing a lot of extra money.  And I know
  from Canadians that they often will ship something to the US
  by driving it across the border and then ship it from inside the US.

  CAVEAT--My observations are a few years old (except for Fedex
  Green and USPS observations), so things may have changed at
  some level.  But these are my experiences with shipping (and receiving)
  a lot of ham amps while at Alpha.

  Bottom line: it is the packaging, packaging, packaging.  Especially
  if the amp has more emotional value than dollar value -- like some
  of the absolutely CHERRY Alpha 77s that we handled.  You can't
  go out and just buy another really clean Alpha 77 or any amp that
  is no longer in production.

  73--John  W0UN


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