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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Random acts of kindness, Unassisted Categories,Rules, etc.
From: "Paul J. Piercey" <p.piercey@nl.rogers.com>
Reply-to: vo1he@rac.ca
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 19:45:09 -0000
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I've changed my mind due to more research and my response to another
posting.

If you asked for assistance it denotes a plan to get assistance and is
therefore grounds to be placed in the "Assisted" category. It doesn't matter
that you never got that assistance directly from the requests. It was your
intention. My answer is now YES. Disregard that portion  of the answer I
gave earlier. I reserve the right to change my mind again in the future
based upon further discussion and research. :)

It'll take a rule change to convince me that acting on unsolicited,
unplanned info would equate to being "Assisted" however.


73 -- Paul VO1HE  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul J. Piercey [mailto:p.piercey@nl.rogers.com] 
> Sent: December 5, 2006 15:26
> To: 'cq-contest@contesting.com'
> Subject: RE: [CQ-Contest] Random acts of kindness, Unassisted 
> Categories,Rules, etc.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com 
> > [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of 
> George Fremin 
> > III
> > Sent: December 5, 2006 04:44
> > To: cq-contest@contesting.com
> > Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Random acts of kindness, Unassisted 
> > Categories,Rules, etc.
> > 
> > On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 05:53:29PM -0800, Tree Tyree N6TR wrote:
> > 
> > > So Ken - maybe I have been shouting too much and I missed 
> what you 
> > > have been saying?
> > > 
> > > Do we agree that:
> > > 
> > > 1. If you are asking where to find the VY1.
> > > 2. Someone comes along and tells you were to find it.
> > > 3. You go off and work the VY1.
> > > 
> > > That this is assistance?
> > > 
> > 
> > Let me give a more explicit example.
> > 
> > -----------------------------
> > Consider this:
> > 
> > I (K5TR) am in the SS.
> > 
> > I still need West Texas and KP4 for a sweep.
> > 
> > I am call CQ and running guys.
> > 
> > Someone calls in and we exchange information.
> > 
> > I ask him, "Do you know where West Texas and/or KP4 are?".
> > 
> > He either does not or does not answer.
> > 
> > I keep running guys.
> > 
> > A few contacts later I work someone else.
> > 
> > I ask him, "Do you know where West Texas and/or KP4 are?".
> > 
> > Still no information.
> > 
> > I keep running guys.
> > 
> > Someone comes by and tells me that NP4A is on 21.354.
> > 
> > I dial my second radio to 21.354 and work NP4A. 
> > 
> > --------------------------------
> > 
> > 
> > Can I still enter as a single op unassisted station?
> > 
> > Yes or No
> > 
> > I would like to see a show of hands on this question.
> 
> Technically, you are requesting assistance therefore it 
> *should be* considered grounds for entry in the "Assisted" 
> category. However, it is not the direct use of a spotting 
> network, unless you want to consider every station on the air 
> a network, and therefore not covered under the existing rules 
> of engagement.
> 
> That makes it a NO from me according to the rules.
> 
> The best gauge of its "legality" is to determine if anyone 
> has ever been disqualified in a contest for this practice. 
> According to many on this reflector this is not a new thing 
> so historical records would indicate if it has been used as 
> grounds for disqualification.
> 
> You would be better off to stop the pileup and say "CQ West 
> Texas or KP4 only" instead of asking someone directly to 
> point you to them. That way you are not asking anyone in 
> particular, you're merely being selective in who you wish to contact.
> 
> 73 -- Paul VO1HE
> 
> 
> 

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