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Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Survey results - part 1

To: Radio K0HB <kzerohb@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] CQ WW Survey results - part 1
From: Fred - NA2U <cwman@juno.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:26:11 -0700
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Its use in traffic-handling not withstanding, "please copy" in contesting is 
like fingernails on the blackboard.  Get on with it already!

73 from the desert,

Fred/NA2U

> On Dec 17, 2015, at 7:33 PM, Radio K0HB <kzerohb@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> "Please Copy", which seems to unduly irritate a few, has honest roots in 
> contesting.  ARRL Sweepstakes was first conceived as a test of traffic 
> handling skills, and the exchange format was taken from the heading of the 
> ARRL message format.  In voice traffic handling the phrase "Please Copy" is a 
> placeholder indicating the start of a formal message.  By force of habit it 
> is easy to understand why the phrase would migrate into contesting.
> 
> 
> 
> __73, de Hans, K0HB
> 
> "Just a Boy and His Radio"™
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Matt Murphy <matt@nq6n.com> wrote:
>> 
>> "Please copy" is a non-optimal way to exchange information over a radio
>> channel b/c it takes time to say and doesn't significantly improve the
>> chances that the station at the other end will successfully copy what
>> follows.
>> There are lots of things that new hams do because they have not had enough
>> experience to realize that doing them doesn't help the situation.  Another
>> example is saying things extremely slowly (like someone might talk to a
>> young child) rather than at repeated a few times at normal speed. Another
>> is speaking very loudly (with compression it's not necessary at all and can
>> make things worse).
>> Fortunately the day to day experience of operating helps provide evidence
>> that none of these techniques are helpful.  It's rare that I have a rate
>> high enough that a caller saying "please copy" slows it down significantly.
>> I am not sure of this but I think "please copy" is also used as a form of
>> etiquette in some net operations.
>> I'd recommend taking a moment to slow down and give out a tip or two during
>> a run.  The contest community is full of wisdom and mentorship, and it can
>> even be squeezed in between Q's.
>> 73,
>> Matt NQ6N
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Michael Schulz <mschulz@creative-chaos.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I guess the "Please copy ..." comes from maybe their first exposure to
>>> "contesting" during Field Day
>>> which is not a contest (yes it is, and we're going to win it anyway). And
>>> yes, leading by example is the
>>> way to go, but at the same time it needs to be pointed out not necessarily
>>> as wrong, but as not best
>>> practice for numerous reasons.
>>> 
>>> 73 Mike K5TRI
>>> 
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