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Re: [CQ-Contest] Cheating

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Cheating
From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 12:51:49 -0600
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Can you provide data that shows Dave's assertions are incorrect? If not, what you are saying is essentially blah blah blah...I can hear you so whatever you are saying I can't hear.

Time to pull some heads out of the sand and face the reality of the situation.

I find it hard to believe that nobody has ever heard or seen people with big amps tuning for max out?

I am sure all those 77 Export models never ran a watt over the legal limit.

When is the last time you exceeded the speed limit in your vehicle. You just broke a rule.

It happens all the time.  Sorry to say.


On 8/24/2016 8:23 AM, Bill Parry wrote:

I think most of us have had enough of your diatribes. Move on!

Bill W5VX

-----Original Message-----
From: CQ-Contest [mailto:cq-contest-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of David 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 12:54 AM
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Cheating

Fine for you to defend your friends, Hans, and you may be right.

But you've gone over into some stark raving fantasy world when you claim that 
99.99% of contesters don't cheat.  There isn't any segment of humanity anywhere 
that honest, and I find it hilarious that anybody would think that hams are 
somehow more honest than the average human.
Studies, tests, and observations over decades by LOTS of different sociologists 
prove that you aren't even close in your opinion.  Deny it all you want, but 
humans are wired to seek every advantage they can in almost all situations, and 
it is only our learned behavior boundaries that hold us back from breaking 

In real life people lie, they cheat, they dishonor, they fudge ... to one 
degree or another depending upon the situation.  And that's out in the open 
with real stakes involved.  What on earth makes you think that an essentially 
random slice of the population (ham radio contesters) operating with almost 
zero external scrutiny in an event with virtually no jeopardy is going to 
magically be different??

And for heaven's sake quit with the neighborhood crap.  Absolutely none of my 
comments bear any relation to any contester I know because my comments derive 
from reading I've done on the subject and observations I've made during my 69 
years on this earth involving people I've met in over 30 countries.

It would be interesting for someone to create a truly anonymous survey of active 
contesters with the simple question "in all of your years of contesting, can you 
honestly claim that you've never knowingly violated any rule, no matter how 
trivial?"  One of us is going to be very surprised by the result.

Dave   AB7E

On 8/23/2016 2:39 PM, Radio K0HB wrote:
My "neighborhood" of contesting and DX'ing friends are guys like NAT,
WGJ, K4IU, KMPH, etc.

There is NOBODY in that group, and hundreds more that I know now, and
have known over my 50-some years in DX and Radio-sporting, that I can
imagine being outside the rules, even just a smidgen.

The interminable jeremiads crying "cheat" on CQ-Contest, mostly by
noted hams whose credentials I otherwise admire, is loutish and
Ill-mannered. It insults the community of hams, 99.99% of who play by the rules.

If you know a cheater, well then turn him in; but don't condone the
widespread internet trashing of hams in general. We are better than that.
Your neighborhood may vary.

73, HB
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