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Re: [Karlnet] PRISM II 100mW card and Karlnet TC V4.02

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Subject: Re: [Karlnet] PRISM II 100mW card and Karlnet TC V4.02
From: "Norm Young" <npyoung@applegatebroadband.net>
Reply-to: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:13:01 -0700
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Hi Tony,  certainly.

The results I reported before swapping the PRISM II card out of the PtMP
side were in this environment:

AP->1000, two cards slotted, one Orinoco Gold card (backhaul), one PRISM II
card (PtMP) running TC in both slots, PtMP in Base Station mode.  The PtMP
setup is 1' pigtail, into lightning arrestor, then 20' of LMR-400 into a
90*, 15dB gain Superpass sector located some 25' AGL, and the WPOP at 4800'
AMSL.  The "client" side was a laptop, Orinoco card, WinXP Home running TC
driver for XP,  4' pigtail into a 24dB PacWireless grid parabolic, all
vertical polarization.   The antenna was mounted on a surplus camera tripod
about 1.5' AGL, and a typical site was right around 1200' AMSL at a distance
of  7.6miles.   Excellent LOS.

The results were:

                    Laptop            AP
SNR            21dB              2dB
Signal            -80dBm         -101dBm
Noise            -98dBm        -102dBm

As you can see, the recieved signal at the laptop was good, but still didn't
meet specs...should have been -67.684 dBm according to Ecommwireless SOM
page.  Either the sector was not aligned correctly (it has a vertical -3dB
beamwidth of 8*) or there's something askew in the connectors, antenna,
coax, etc.

Norm



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony " <tonylist@wwwbiz.com>
To: <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: [Karlnet] PRISM II 100mW card and Karlnet TC V4.02


> Norm
>
> Can you please confirm you WPOP and client side setup.  Antennas, cable
> lengths etc, as you know the link is bi-directional as such both
> directions need to be with in spec on TX and RX to operate properly.
>
> Sincerely
> Tony Morella
> Demarc Technology Group
> Office: 908-996-7995
> Cell: 908-246-9170
> Fax: 908-847-0202
> email: tony@demarctech.com
> http://www.demarctech.com
> Wireless Solution Provider
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-admin@WISPNotes.com [mailto:karlnet-admin@WISPNotes.com]
> On Behalf Of Norm Young
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 5:55 PM
> To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
> Subject: Re: [Karlnet] PRISM II 100mW card and Karlnet TC V4.02
>
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> Yes indeed, it's running Karlnet TC.  What made me think that the
> information can be trusted (after initially thinking otherwise) is that
> in areas that I'd previously with the Orinoco radio had a link (not
> necessarily a good one) I got nothing, in that (I think) the link from
> the laptop back to the AP was down to nothing (even though the signal
> from AP->laptop was quite good).  The reason I think this,is that in the
> areas where I had a link (but a receive S/N = 2  laptop->AP), the link
> would keep dropping (probably when the signal would fade).  I don't know
> for sure, but it doesn't look just like a reporting error (as I had
> hoped).
>
> Norm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony " <tonylist@wwwbiz.com>
> To: <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:36 PM
> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] PRISM II 100mW card and Karlnet TC V4.02
>
>
> > Norm
> >
> > Just to confirm, all the numbers you are reporting where from Karlnet
> > TurboCell correct??  If this is the case, Doug (KN) has report to me
> > that all the Prism cards report back in the same way and that the
> > information can not always be trussed. They are looking into this and
> > I will update you as I know more.
> >
> > Did you notices a difference in performance?
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Tony Morella
> > Demarc Technology Group
> > Office: 908-996-7995
> > Cell: 908-246-9170
> > Fax: 908-847-0202
> > email: tony@demarctech.com
> > http://www.demarctech.com
> > Wireless Solution Provider
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: karlnet-admin@WISPNotes.com [mailto:karlnet-admin@WISPNotes.com]
> > On Behalf Of Norm Young
> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:09 PM
> > To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
> > Subject: Re: [Karlnet] PRISM II 100mW card and Karlnet TC V4.02
> >
> >
> > Yes, please, is anyone else deploying this card with Karlnet TC?  I'd
> > love for the problem to be other than this card, as I really, really
> > need that output power.
> >
> > I'm really surprised at the receive sensitivity being so depressed.
> > The noise reported is -102dBm on the PRISM II card, and the signal is
> > reported at -101dB and the local signal reported at the laptop
> > (Orinoco card, 24dB parabolic, 4' pigtail, Karlnet TC running on XP)
> > is -80dBm, noise @ -99dBm,
> > S/N=19 dB, distance 7.5mi from AP, good LOS, no obstructions.   The AP
> > is an
> > AP-1000, two radios slotted, one Orinoco on CH6 as a backhaul running
> > into a horizontally polarized 24dB parabolic, the other, the PRISM II
> > 100mW card as the PtMP on CH11 running into a 90 degree, vertical
> > polarized 15dB sector, running TC v4.02.
> >
> > Norm
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan Metcalf" <danm@suncorstainless.com>
> > To: <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:24 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] PRISM II 100mW card and Karlnet TC V4.02
> >
> >
> > > Anybody else see this?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan Metcalf
> > > Wireless Broadband Systems
> > > dan.metcalf@wbsysnet.com
> > > 781-658-2075
> > > www.wirelessbroadbandsystems.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Norm Young [mailto:npyoung@applegatebroadband.net]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:29 PM
> > > To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Karlnet] PRISM II 100mW card and Karlnet TC V4.02
> > >
> > > I'm going to pull this PRISM II 100mW card, as I've discovered that
> > > the reporting of the signal strength at the AP (PRISM II, Karlnet
> > > TC)
> > is
> > > accurate---and extremely low.   I'm seeing signal strengths that are
> a
> > good
> > > 10dB below what they were with the Orinoco radio in place and all
> > > other factors equal/similar.  The transmit power is as expected, 5dB
>
> > > above the Orinoco radios, but the receive sensitivity is, to say the
>
> > > least, very disappointing.
> > >
> > > I'll report the findings with the Orinoco radio slotted, and perhaps
>
> > > it
> > will
> > > reveal some other factor is at work, but for now, the PRISM II card
> > > is
> >
> > > a
> > dud
> > > on the receive sensitivity side.  (Also the crash on reboot
> > > "feature".)
> > >
> > >
> > > Norm
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tony " <tonylist@wwwbiz.com>
> > > To: <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 8:39 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] PRISM II 100mW card and Karlnet TC V4.02
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dong
> > > >
> > > > You have this card! Its the one we sent you for testing :)
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely
> > > > Tony Morella
> > > > Demarc Technology Group
> > > > Office: 908-996-7995
> > > > Cell: 908-246-9170
> > > > Fax: 908-847-0202
> > > > email: tony@demarctech.com
> > > > http://www.demarctech.com
> > > > Wireless Solution Provider
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: karlnet-admin@WISPNotes.com
> > > > [mailto:karlnet-admin@WISPNotes.com]
> > > > On Behalf Of Support
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:18 PM
> > > > To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [Karlnet] PRISM II 100mW card and Karlnet TC V4.02
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Norm,
> > > >
> > > > We see this problem with some of the higher power radios in the
> > > > AP-1000 and the RG-1000.  Those pieces of hardware were made for
> > > > the
> >
> > > > 32mW radios and they will act funny with the 100mW and 200mW
> > > > radios coming out. I have not seen the radio you are using, but if
>
> > > > you want
> >
> > > > to send one in for testing we'd be glad to look at it for you.
> > > >
> > > >
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