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Re: [RTTY] Take Two RTTY Exchange

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Subject: Re: [RTTY] Take Two RTTY Exchange
From: Jurgen Geldhof <list@on5mf.be>
Reply-to: on5mf@on5mf.be
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:19:59 +0100
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Hi,

my 2 cents here: any exchange I don't see exactly the same at least 
twice will result in me sending AGN? AGN?

599 AL can mean AL / AK / AZ / AR / FL / IL with only 1 wrong character! 
And I'm not good enough at contesting to know all callsigns and their 
respective states :-)

Logging the wrong exchange costs points for 2 QSOs and maybe a mult! 
Pretty 'expensive' for only a fraction of a second extra time needed 
when sending 599 AL AL.

But maybe N1MM should put a switch somewhere in his software so we can 
have a second set of macros to have more repeats in the exchange when 
conditions are bad? Would avoid those using ESM having to change their 
macros a few times during the contest.


Op 16/01/2012 14:59, Ed Muns schreef:
> Don and Bill are both making valid points.  Which one is "right" depends on
> the trade-off between accuracy and rate.  Operating in a way to (try to)
> achieve perfect accuracy usually results in a lower overall score compared
> to accepting some risk of error to keep the rate up.  Similarly, ignoring
> accuracy and only focusing on rate will result in a sub-optimal score.  The
> sweet spot is often achieved by first streamlining messages in the way Don
> describes in this S&P exchange example.  Then, dynamically add your call or
> his call to the message (tapping a "my call" and/or "his call" macro at the
> beginning and/or end of the main message) if you feel a specific QSO
> situation would be better off.  "Better off" meaning there is a
> significantly higher probability of logging the wrong station.  Good
> operating isn't just about repeating the same messages throughout the
> contest, but rather adapting appropriately as conditions change.
>
> Ed - W0YK
>
>
>> On 1/15/2012 8:14 PM, Don Hill AA5AU wrote:
>>>    When S&P, there is no reason you should ever have to send the
>>> callsign of the run station you are working.
> Bill, W6WRT, wrote:
>> When I'm running, I want to verify two things from the
>> calling station:
>>
>> 1. He's working me and not another station on the frequency
>> that I can't hear.
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2. That he has my callsign correct.
>>
>> Unless the calling station sends my call at some point, how
>> would I verify the above?
>>
>> Here's how I like it when I'm running:
>>
>> ME:    CQ TEST W6WRT W6WRT CQ
>> HIM:    K1XX K1XX K1XX (or only twice if condx good, never just once)
>> ME:    K1XX 599<EXCH>  <EXCH>  K1XX
>> HIM:    W6WRT 599<EXCH>  <EXCH>  K1XX
>> ME:    K1XX TU W6WRT CQ
>>
>> There is some redundancy in the above, but during a busy
>> contest when often there are several stations on the same
>> frequency, some redundancy is a necessity, IMO. Otherwise you
>> are likely to log the wrong station.
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