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Subject: [TowerTalk] Understanding Coax Loss Measurements
From: Kirk Kleinschmidt via TowerTalk <towertalk@contesting.com>
Reply-to: Kirk Kleinschmidt <sohosources@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 11:43:28 +0000 (UTC)
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Hi, gang,
I'm trying to characterize some coaxial cables and various connectors, and the 
results from my two measuring methods aren't reconciling well. My understanding 
of the tools is also less than complete. :)
Method 1: Transmission mode sweep with MiniVNA.
Method 2: RF Power meter and TX. Calibrate: Connect TX output to RF power 
meter, then through the test length of coaxial cable, then to dummy load. 
Carefully set TX output to to 10 W. Swap test cable and power meter, so TX 
output now goes to test length of cable, then to power meter, then to dummy 
load. Record power levels of between 7 and 9.1 W with TX power set to same 
level as "calibration " run, but with meter now placed after test cable length.

Testing 100-foot lengths of RG-6, RG-11 and RG-213.
Problem 1: When sweeping 50-ohm cables from 1-30 MHz, the insertion loss 
curve/line gently slopes downward, indicating greater loss at higher 
frequencies (expected). When sweeping 75-ohm cables, the insertion loss line 
slopes downward a bit with increasing frequency, but the line is a shallow sine 
wave and not a straight descending line. Averaging the peaks and valleys of the 
descending sine wave produces results that agree reasonably well with published 
loss specs.
>From VNA, loss values for 100 feet @ 30 MHz are: RG-6, 1.6 dB (avg of sine 
>wave peak values); RG-11, 0.9 dB (avg of sine wave peak values); RG-213, 1.1 
>dB; RG-8X, 1.5 dB.
With the power meter, loss values are RG-6, 3 dB; RG-11, 1.9 dB; RG-213, 2.8 dB
As you can see, these methods don't line up well.
Help?
--Kirk, NT0Z


 

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