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Re: [CQ-Contest] Best & worst scenarios - 3830 postings

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Best & worst scenarios - 3830 postings
From: "MICHAEL J COSLO" <mjc5@psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:03:36 -0400
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On Thu, Sep  4, 2008 07:30 AM, "Mark Beckwith" <n5ot@n5ot.com> wrote:
>
 Posting the preliminary scores is a service to our participants. They
>> see their entry, and they see we have some idea of what their score
>> might be.
>
>I think it's reasonable to say they also notice where they placed in respect 
>to everyone else near them.  I know I do.  Call me competitive.  It's also 
>reasonable to wonder why the order changes between the preliminary and final 
>listings.  This conversation is all about that.
>
>
>
>
> > But there is a reason they are called preliminary. Scores get changed.
>> And anyone who relies on the preliminary score as what their final
>> score is might very well be disappointed.
>
>In the best case, the only reason to be disapppointed would be to be 
>disappointed in oneself.  The only reason your score should fall is that 
>either your copying or your logging were sufficiently erroneous to cause 
>your score to slip down past some other operators who copied/logged more 
>accurately than you did.
>
>That's a perfect world.
>
>In the real world, it is possible to slip down through no fault of one's 
>copying or logging accuracy, but the stated goal of the log checkers, who 
>are the first to say the process is not perfect, is that the goal is to have 
>a system sufficiently good enough so that this does not happen.  I 
>personally have yet to hear of a contender who has slipped a position 
>between "claimed" and "final" that can be attributed to the
>removal of legitimate, accurately copied contacts which should not have been
removed. 
>Some people complain about having good QSOs removed, but did it change the 
>order of the box?  I don't think it does.
>
>Therefore, it should be safe to assume the final standings should be pretty 
>accurately reflected in the perliminary listings.
>
>It is not a safe assumption. More on that below.
>
> Therefore, it should be safe to assume the preliminary listings should be 
>able to be counted on as a pretty good idea of how you're going to finish. 
>If you move up in the standings, you get an extra pat on the back for being 
>more accurate than the guy above you was, and the guy who slipped knows he 
>has some work to do in the accuracy/logging department.
>
>
>Again, it is not a safe assumption. You have made three assumptions here,
>one of which isn't stated. That is the assumption that the logging software
>is always perfect. The truth of the matter is that there are some softwares
>that don't tote up the final score correctly. In addition, I notice that you
>assume that the score always goes down. It does not.
>
>But if you are taking preliminary scores as some sort of gospel,
>especially on a web page that isn't done by the contest sponsor,
>Your destined for disappointment.
>
> The introduction of a new call to the box in the finals is rightly highly 
>suspicious and it's better for everyone when that does not happen. 
>
>Only if you assume (there is that word again!) that someone is cheating.
>You are also pointing the finger of accusation at the sponsor.
>
>
>change categories?  Did he massage his log?  Did the sponsor accept his log 
>after the deadline?
>
>I have had people who had a problem log send one in to me after the deadline
>when I've had problems with their first on-time submission. Just last year in
fact.
>The guy won his county. Is that cheating?
>
>
> That's not a witch hunt.  That's due dilligence.  It's also easily avoided 
>which is good for everyone.  Which is what this is about.
>
>Respectfully Mark, there is some sort of name for it. I allow a guy to fix his
log
>(it was sent in a wrong format). And you are on record right above
> as saying that is suspicious.
>Fact is, any of my peeps can call me on the phone, or send off an email if
they have a question. I'll
>explain the situation in a friendly manner. I might not be as gracious
>when they are "suspicious" of me.
>
>
> 

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