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RE: [Karlnet] limiting bandwidth

To: "Karlnet Mailing List" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Subject: RE: [Karlnet] limiting bandwidth
From: "Ben Polson" <bsp@bandwave.net>
Reply-to: Karlnet Mailing List <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 03:40:02 -0700
List-post: <mailto:karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
Thanks.  I am familiar with QoS (though not with Mikrotik).  So what you're
saying is that by throttling the bandwidth upstream at the Mikrotik, the
Mikrotik will send the ICMP Source Quench messages back to the Karlnet
client device, which will properly interpret the results and slow down it's
transmission across the wireless medium?

-Ben.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]On Behalf Of Eric Meth
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:18 PM
> To: Karlnet Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] limiting bandwidth
>
>
> Set up a "queue" for the speed you want. If you are familiar with
> MikroTik,
> you will know what I mean. If this is "Geek" to you, get ready for some
> interesting learning!!! check out http://www.mikrotik.com
> Eric Meth
> IES Wireless
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]On Behalf Of Ben Polson
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 6:05 AM
> To: Karlnet Mailing List
> Subject: RE: [Karlnet] limiting bandwidth
>
>
> How does the Mikrotik throttle the send from the wireless client
> across the
> wireless medium?
>
> -Ben.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]On Behalf Of Bob Hrbek
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:04 PM
> > To: Karlnet Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Karlnet] limiting bandwidth
> >
> >
> > I've played with the bandwidth limiting in both 3.88 and 4.x.
> It doesn't
> > seem to work very well.  If it set a user to 256K, they were
> getting like
> > 80K.  If I set them to 290K, they got about 220K.  If I set them to say,
> > 300K...they were getting around 500K.
> >
> > I just decided to not use it.  Mikrotik works better, plus, I can
> > see who is
> > using what.
> >
> > -bob
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Conn" <cconn@abacom.com>
> > To: "Karlnet Mailing List" <karlnet@WISPNotes.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 4:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Karlnet] limiting bandwidth
> >
> >
> > > Eric Meth wrote:
> > > > Chris. In version 3.88 it worked properly, you could set the rates
> > > > individually. Since then, setting the MaxTxRate sets both.
> > Asymmetrical
> > does
> > > > not work. Karlnet suggests setting the transmit rate on the
> > AccessPoint
> > > > (version 4.31) then setting the CPE. Unfortunately the WaveWireless
> > Firmware
> > > > is still at 4.02 where independent setting do not work. Use
> > this flaw to
> > > > your advantage, sell symmetrical service!!! If you want to
> > limit upload,
> > do
> > > > it with a MikroTik router at the point where your wireless
> > heads to the
> > > > internet directly. (One man's solution) Regards, Eric
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > This is what I thought.  We have been selling symmetrical wireless for
> > many
> > > years, only now are we making an "el-cheapo" service and are
> > hitting this
> > wall
> > > since we are for the first time attempting to implement it.  We
> > had tested
> > this
> > > a very long time ago.  I have an alternate solution using Cisco QoS
> > methods,
> > > however it used to be much simpler when you could do both in
> > the CPE (and
> > > cheaper in $$ and CPU on the router too).
> > >
> > > Funny that I called Karlnet about this just yesterday after
> > some testing.
> > I
> > > assume they read this list?  At least I am not the only user
> > noticing this
> > issue.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > > [mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]On Behalf Of Chris Conn
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 5:11 PM
> > > > To: Karlnet Mailing List
> > > > Subject: Re: [Karlnet] limiting bandwidth
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eric Meth wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>You can set the upload rate limit on the transmitter. The
> > download rate
> > is
> > > >>set by specifing the rate on the ethernet interface.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone tried this recently?  I am trying to set up an
> asymmetrical
> > > > system
> > > > where customers upload at a fraction of their download speed
> > and so far
> > to
> > > > no
> > > > avail.  Setting a rate on the Ethernet will limit the customer's
> > download
> > > > speed, however specifying a rate on the 802.11b interface
> seems to set
> > that
> > > > rate for download AND upload.  I have tested this just yesterday on
> > 3.88,
> > > > 4.02
> > > > and 4.31 versions.  If my memory serves me correctly, it has however
> > been
> > > > possible in the past to independantly configure rates on the various
> > > > interfaces.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From: karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com
> > > >>[mailto:karlnet-bounces@WISPNotes.com]On Behalf Of LaRoy McCann
> > > >>Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 4:58 PM
> > > >>To: karlnet@WISPNotes.com
> > > >>Subject: [Karlnet] limiting bandwidth
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>How do you limit a user to a certain bandwidth?  The only
> > setting I can
> > > >>find on the karlnet firmware is Max Tx Rate in Kbits / Sec.
>  Actually
> > this
> > > >>is a speedlan 8000 series box, but it uses the karlnet firmware.
> > > >>
> > > >>If this sets only the Tx side, then you are only limiting the upload
> > speed
> > > >>and  not the download speed.  I want to limit the speed that a user
> > > >>downloads data to their computer.
> > > >>
> > > >>I know the connections are sold based on the speed that a
> > user wants to
> > > >
> > > > pay
> > > >
> > > >>for, but just am not sure exactly how to limit that.
> > > >>
> > > >>If the wireless link will not do that then what is everyone
> else doing
> > to
> > > >>limit a user to a certain bandwidth.
> > > >>
> > > >>I guess I could setup a linux box and use iptables to limit
> each user.
> > > >>
> > > >>Sorry if this issue has been beat to death before.
> > > >>
> > > >>Thanks
> > > >>LaRoy McCann
> > > >>
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